tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3048449668150968412.post7755245154000148980..comments2023-11-14T08:19:54.657+00:00Comments on DMossEsq: Every blogger's dream commentDavid Mosshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12345636878071983416noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3048449668150968412.post-59036177197727175382012-11-17T12:46:42.878+00:002012-11-17T12:46:42.878+00:00Re: #1 of many> Re 1., without really doing any...Re: #1 of many<br><br>> Re 1., without really doing any research on what you're talking about – manifestly false.<br><br>OK, that was a cheap shot from me, but I do think you have some misconceptions about the cloud that I will challenge you on later...<br><br>> Re 11., I presume that you're comfortable using the cloud yourself – correct. The free-at-the-point-of-use Blogger with the resources of Google behind it is perfect for making your opinions public and with luck, as in your case, for engaging in debate and with more luck, perhaps making some progress. I note that you are not comfortable enough with the cloud to divulge your name.<br><br>Fair point - and rectified. For the record, my views expressed on this blog are mine and don't (necessarily) represent those of my employer.<br><br>Re 7., unless you're suggesting that Govt in-sources its IT? – no, not suggesting that, devising a better way of organising government IT is a huge problem that has defeated everyone so far everywhere, a problem where even a little bit of progress would be rare and valuable, a problem where the wrong solution, like cloud computing, could make matters even worse. That's where I hope we can centre debate.<br><br>Agreed about the debate, not about cloud being the wrong solution (in some cases). In the meantime, if you don't like cloud, and don't like big legacy contracts, do you have a preferred solution?<br><br>More later...Matt Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3048449668150968412.post-21182911502063261522012-11-16T13:39:44.818+00:002012-11-16T13:39:44.818+00:00#4 of manyRe 8., Regarding loss of control in the ...<b>#4 of many</b><br><br>Re 8., <i>Regarding loss of control in the cloud, not really, no.</i><br><br>"Not really, no" – what kind of an argument is that?<br><br>I look forward to your more well-researched, considered response, adducing the evidence.David Mosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12345636878071983416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3048449668150968412.post-20461556845032227192012-11-16T13:36:59.362+00:002012-11-16T13:36:59.362+00:00#3 of manyRe 7., You mention about "somebody&...<b>#3 of many</b><br><br>Re 7., <i>You mention about "somebody" having to pay for the overhead involved in cloud services... well, no.</i><br><br>What do you mean no? You mean yes. Take a look at the Megaupload case, <a href="http://www.dmossesq.com/2012/11/cloud-computing-how-to-lose-control-of.html" rel="nofollow"><i>Cloud computing – how to lose control of your data #94</i></a>, it's costing Carpathia $9,000 a day to keep 1,100 servers hanging around doing nothing.<br><br>Someone has to pay for that. The cost must turn up somewhere in the price the customer pays.<br><br>That's the way it is on this planet. Even in Whitehall.David Mosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12345636878071983416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3048449668150968412.post-21252751028720907962012-11-16T13:19:31.726+00:002012-11-16T13:19:31.726+00:00Re 6., many current IT contracts tie the governmen...Re 6., many current IT contracts tie the government into long terms with colossally penal break clauses, amendments/enhancements take too long and they're eye-wateringly expensive. No-one will disagree with you, certainly not me and probably not even the contractors/SIs (systems integrators).<br><br>Then at 8. you say <i>... ultimately the risk assessment lies with the Department ... when GDS chose to use Skyscape, they would have been responsible for managing the risk assessment for using that provider - and will be accountable if things go wrong. Ditto HMRC with their data.</i><br><br>The departments are responsible for the legacy contracts you and I deplore and they may be accountable for them, too. The legacy contracts are a disgrace. They amount to misfeasance in public office. And you hold out the performance of these same officials as a safeguard against anything going wrong with cloud computing. Why?<br><br>The accountability you appeal to means absolutely nothing, the same officials carry on doing the same jobs, you know that's true, but if you want to watch no less than four Cabinet Secretaries say it, please see <i><a href="http://www.dmossesq.com/2012/08/civil-servants-are-accountable-to.html" rel="nofollow">Civil servants are accountable to ministers ... or is it the other way round?</a></i>, and<br><br>So what if they're accountable? Fat lot of use that is to the public if all our records have gone up in a cloud of smoke because HMG elected to hand over control.<br><br>Your response is irrelevant, it is the answer to a different question, you make the same mistake, if I may put it like that, as dear old much-missed Chris Chant, 10 out of 10 for diagnosis, 0 out of 10 for the prescription, please see <i><a href="http://www.dmossesq.com/2012/06/hmgs-cloud-computing-strategy-there.html" rel="nofollow">HMG's cloud computing strategy – there isn't one</a></i>David Mosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12345636878071983416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3048449668150968412.post-17474020889855619992012-11-15T14:01:55.342+00:002012-11-15T14:01:55.342+00:00#1 of manyRe 1., without really doing any research...<b>#1 of many</b><br><br>Re 1., <i>without really doing any research on what you're talking about</i> – manifestly false.<br><br>Re 4., <i>You also miss the main point about "Utility Computing"</i> – false.<br><br>Re 11., <i>I presume that you're comfortable using the cloud yourself</i> – correct. The free-at-the-point-of-use Blogger with the resources of Google behind it is perfect for making your opinions public and with luck, as in your case, for engaging in debate and with more luck, perhaps making some progress. I note that you are not comfortable enough with the cloud to divulge your name.<br><br>That's the dross out of the way.<br><br>Re 7., <i>unless you're suggesting that Govt in-sources its IT?</i> – no, not suggesting that, devising a better way of organising government IT is a huge problem that has defeated everyone so far everywhere, a problem where even a little bit of progress would be rare and valuable, a problem where the wrong solution, like cloud computing, could make matters even worse. That's where I hope we can centre debate.<br><br>More later.David Mosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12345636878071983416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3048449668150968412.post-2451696669985932682012-11-14T13:33:28.205+00:002012-11-14T13:33:28.205+00:00That explains it - I didn't think it was your ...That explains it - I didn't think it was your style to just delete comments :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com